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Transylvaniaball is a Romanian region.

He was with Hungaryball for a long time but at the end of the Great War he decided to join Romaniaball who he's been with ever since despite Hungaryball briefly stealing him in WW2 and constantly trying to reclaim him in subsequent years.

He's very well known for being a vampire.

Personality Edit

Usually friendly, only gets annoyed when Hungaryball claims him (as he desires to remain with Romaniaball) or he gets called gypsy.

He also gets a weird appetite for blood during the night (this indicates he's truly a vampire).

Relationships Edit

History Edit

His history is controversial and a matter of debate.

It is accepted that Transylvaniaball was ruled by:

  1. Dacia-icon Daciaball. (168 B.C. - 106 A.D.)
  2. SPQR-icon SPQRball. (106 - 271)
  3. Gepids-icon Gepidsball. (330 - 568)
  4. Avar-icon Avarball. (568 - 804)
  5. Hungary-icon Hungaryball. (around 1000 - 1918) -> Although this is also debated because some argue that Hungaryball can't claim they held Transylvaniaball for almost 1000 years since Kingdom of Hungaryball disappeared from 1541 to 1867 being under Austrian Empireball, and Transylvaniaball was an autonomous region ever since the Hungaryball conquest up until 1699 when it became province under direct Austrian Empireball administration thus not linked in any way with Hungaryball. Thus Transylvaniaball lost its independence in 1699 and was part of Habsburg Empire until 1918, not of Hungaryball who from 1541 to 1867 didn't even existed.
  6. Romania-icon Romaniaball. (1918 - Present)

However Hungary-icon Hungaryball historians argue that when they arrived in Transylvania the land was empty and they were the first and Romanians migrated later in Transylvania.

While Romania-icon Romaniaball historians argue that when Hungaryball arrived in Transylvania they were already there but were subjugated by Hungarians.

Where is the truth ? If the truth was obvious there'd be no controversy.

The earliest written reference of Romanians in Transylvaniaball that is non-controversial and accepted by both sides prelates to 1223, a royal charter in the Kingdom of Hungary confirming a former grant of land. It refers to the transfer of land previously held by the Vlachs to the monastery of Carta, which proves that the territory had been inhabited by Vlachs before the monastery was founded (1202).

There are other royal charters attesting the presence of Vlachs in more counties, for instance in Zarand from 1318, in Bihor and in Maramures from 1326, and in Turda from 1342.

The first official population census was made by Austria-Hungaryball in 1869 and is: 59.0% Romanian, 24.9% Hungarian, 11.9% German. However there are earlier contradictory estimations made by modern historians:

  • Estimation by Jean W.Sedlar (American, historian) about 1241: about 66% Romanians.
  • Estimation by Tamás Lajos (Hungarian, historian) about 1301: about 5.1% Romanians, 88.8% Hungarians, 6% Germans.
  • Estimation by Károly Kocsis (Hungarian, historian) about 1495: 22% Romanians, 55,2% Hungarians, 22% Germans.
  • Estimation by Elemér Mályusz (Hungarian, historian) about 1500: 24% Romanians, 60% Hungarians, 16% Germans.
  • Estimation by Károly Nyárády (Hungarian, historian) about 1551: > 25% Romanians, <= 25% Hungarians, <= 25% Germans.
  • Estimation by Dennis P. Hupchick (American, historian) about 1570: Romanians were majoritary (with no mentions of any percentage).
  • Estimation by Károly Kocsis (Hungarian, historian) about 1571: 29.3% Romanians, 52.3% Hungarians, 9.4% Germans.
  • Estimation by Akadémiai Kiadó (Hungarian, historian) about 1595: 28.4% Romanians, 52,2% Hungarians, 18,8% Germans.
  • Estimation by George W. White (American, historian) about 1600: about 60% Romanians.
  • Estimation by Miklós Molnár (Hungarian, historian) about 1660: 29.3% Romanians, 52.3% Hungarians, 9.4% Germans.
  • Estimation by Benedek Jancsó (Hungarian, historian) about 1700: 50% Romanians, 30% Hungarians, 20% Germans.
  • Estimation by Károly Kocsis (Hungarian, historian) about 1720: 49,6% Romanians, 37,2% Hungarians, 12,2% Germans.
  • Estimation by Ignác Acsády (Hungarian, historian) about 1721: 48,28% Romanians, 36.09% Hungarians, 15.62% Germans.
  • Estimation by Bálint Hóman (Hungarian, historian) about 1765: 55.9% Romanians, 26% Hungarians, 12% Germans.
  • Estimation by Konrad Gündisch (German, historian) about 1773: 63.5% Romanians 24.2% Hungarians 12.3% Germans.

As well as estimations from people who lived during those times:

  • Estimation by Antun Vrančić (Croatian, Primate of Hungary) in 1504 who wrote about the inhabitants of Transylvania and about the Romanians: the country is inhabited by three nations, Székelys, Hungarians, Saxons; I would nevertheless add the Romanians, who – even though they easily equal any of the others in number – have no freedom, no aristocracy, no right of their own, besides a small number living in the Haţeg district, where they say Decebal’s capital was, and who, during the time of John Hunyadi, born there, were granted aristocratic status because they had always taken part in the struggle against the Turks. The other [Romanians] are all commoners, bondsmen to the Hungarians and having no place of their own, spread everywhere, throughout the country" and lead "a miserable life".
  • Estimation by Vasile Lupu (Greek father and Romanian mother, ruler of Moldavia) around 1650 who in a letter written to the Sultan attests that in Transylvania the number of Romanians are already more than the one-third of the population.
  • Official estimation by Verwaltungsgericht (Austrian administrative authority, as Hungary was under the Habsburg Monarchy) in 1712: 34% Romanians, 47% Hungarians, 17% Germans.
  • Austrian statistics in 1730: 57.9% Romanians, 26.2% Hungarians, 15.1% Germans.

Romania-icon Romaniaball also bases his view that he was in Transylvania first on Gesta Hungarorum "The Deeds of the Hungarians". A Hungarian chronicle written by a Hungarian about the Hungarian conquest of the Carpathian Basin at the turn of the 9th and 10th centuries, the chronicle also identifies Hungarians' ancestors as the ancient Scythians.

The author of Gesta Hungarorum is anonymous but described himself as "P who is called magister, and sometime notary of the most glorious Béla, king of Hungary of fond memory", The identification of this King Béla is subject to scholarly debate, because four Hungarian monarchs bore this name. Most historians identify the king with Béla III of Hungary who died in 1196. Anonymous dedicated his work to "the most venerable man N" who had been his schoolmate in an unspecified school.

In Gesta Hungarorum is described how when Hungary-icon Hungaryball arrived in Transylvania there were 3 Romanian counties that they conquered: of Gelu, Glad and Menumorut. However having no other sources to Anonymous' sayings the validity of the book is a matter of debate. Romania-icon Romaniaball argues that the book says the truth while Hungary-icon Hungaryball argues that the book is full of lies as a book written 200 years after the event is not a safe source.

Denis Deletant, a British historian, argues that while Anonymous's work is a matter of debate it is certain that Romanians were part of the community and were in Transylvania before Hungarians came. Edouard Sayous in a work awarded by the France-icon Frenchball Academy argues that Anonymous is right about Romanians' presence in Transylvaniaball.

Before World War 1 Hungary-icon Hungaryball was part of Austria-Hungary-icon Austria-Hungaryball a multi-ethnic state that owned way more clay than current Hungary-icon Hungaryball. In 1914, Austria-Hungaryball started world war 1 by invading Serbia-icon Serbiaball after Gavrilo Princip, a Serbian nationalist, assassinated Franz Ferdinand, the archduke of Austria-Hungary-icon Austria-Hungaryball. Gavrilo Princip was part of a secretive Serbian military group known as the Black Hand, whether the Black Hand had ties with the Serbia-icon Serbiaball government or acted on their own is unknown and still a matter of debate. There is much controversy about who was the main cause for world war 1, or better said who was the one to blame.

In 1916 during world war 1, Romania-icon Romaniaball joined the Allied Powers (after the Allied Power's ultimatum "you join us, now or never!") and attacked Hungary-icon Hungaryball who was already with the Central Powers. His case of war was "to seize Transylvania, a region with majority Romanian population, from the Austro-Hungarian Empire". There is no controversy over this one.

  • Austro-Hungarian population census in 1910 (based on primary used language): 53.8% Romanian, 31.6% Hungarian, 10.7% German.
  • Romanian population census in 1919: 57.1% Romanian, 26.5% Hungarian, 9.8% German.

In 1918, due to losing World War 1, Austria-Hungary-icon Austria-Hungaryball died and split into: Austria-icon Austriaball, Hungary-icon Hungaryball, Czech-iconCzechoslovakiaball, and Panslavic-icon Yugoslaviaball. While Czech-icon Czechoslovakiaball and Panslavic-icon Yugoslaviaball were happy with their independence from Austria-Hungary-icon Austria-Hungaryball, the same could not be said for Hungary-icon Hungaryball, who while happy for becoming independent (he also tried in 1848 to become independent in a revolution but failed) on one side, he lost 2/3 of his clay that had no majority Hungarian population (And in some cases such as southern Slovakia, places that had a majority Hungarian population as well).

Hungary-icon Hungaryball lost:

Until the peace and thus the official loss of the territories was signed, as a last resort Hungary-icon Hungaryball tried to offer cultural and administrative autonomy to the minorities, but they refused, stating that they desire to be separated from him.

At this time the borders with Romania-icon Romaniaball were uncertain, as Allied Powers promised him that he would gain clay up to Tisa river, but Romania-icon Romaniaball already signed The Peace of Bucharest treaty which put the Allied promise up to question.

With the support of Henri Mathias Berthelot (A general from France-icon Franceball that helped Romania-icon Romaniaball during World War 1), Romania-icon Romaniaball passes up to Tisa, but Georges Clemenceau (prime-minister of France-icon Franceball) is against it. After some discussion Georges Clemenceau agrees and Hungary-icon Hungaryball is asked to accept the new borders of Romania-icon Romaniaball.

However Hungary-icon Hungaryball government would not accept this ultimatum and resigned as an act of protest. The next day the communist party takes the power and attacks Romania-icon Romaniaball to take back Transylvaniaball. Leading to the Hungarian-Romanian War of 1919.

Initially the attack was successful as Romania-icon Romaniaball was taken by surprise, but the next day Romania-icon Romaniaball counter-attacks and takes back all the lost territory. Then stops again at Tisa river. Hungary-icon Hungaryball decides to attack Czech-icon Czechoslovakiaball instead, they are winning and France-icon Franceball promises that if Hungary-icon Hungaryball will retreat from Czech-icon Czechoslovakiaball they will give them back the clay from Tisa to the current borders.

Hungary-icon Hungaryball accepts and retreats its troops from Czech-icon Czechoslovakiaball, when France-icon Franceball asks Romania-icon Romaniaball to retreat also to their new borders, Romania-icon Romaniaball replied that he would comply only after the Hungary-icon Hungaryball army would have demobilized.

Upon hearing the Romania-icon Romaniaball demands, Hungary-icon Hungaryball answered that from now on he would rely solely on the might of his army and attacked Romania-icon Romaniaball. Eventually Romania-icon Romaniaball won, occupied Budapest, removed the communist party, kept Transylvaniaball, and looted Hungary-icon Hungaryball. Under the pressures of France-icon Franceball, Romania-icon Romaniaball gave Hungary-icon Hungaryball the clay from Tisa river to the current borders back. In 1920 Romania-icon Romaniaball left Hungary-icon Hungaryball.

After Hungary-icon Hungaryball's defeat, in 1920, the Treaty of Trianon was signed by Hungary-icon Hungaryball and the Allied Powers (16 countries) where Hungary-icon Hungaryball accepted the loss of the lands. As they signed no peace treaty before, Trianon maked the end of world war 1 between Hungary-icon Hungaryball and the Allied Powers. Being officially a defeated state in world war 1 Hungary-icon Hungaryball had no words to say in the Treaty of Trianon, the terms were just imposed on them. Hungary-icon Hungaryball claims Trianon is injustice. Romania-icon Romaniaball claims Trianon is justice. From then on the Treaty of Trianon became a central element in Hungarian nationalism.

After Trianon in 1920, Czech-icon Czechoslovakiaball with Romania-icon Romaniball and Panslavic-icon Yugoslaviaball formed the Little Entente with support from France-icon Franceball to ensure that Hungary-icon Hungaryball will not attempt to recover lost clay again. The alliance broke in 1938.

In World War 2, Hungary-icon Hungaryball briefly took half of Transylvaniaball but lost is again after Axis lost the war. Since then Transylvaniaball stayed Romania-icon Romaniaball clay. But the controversy "who was first" and "Transylvaniaball is Romanian! Transylvaniaball is Hungarian!" remains.

There's is also controversy on Romanian people from Transylvaniaball's treatment while they were under Hungaryball. Hungary-icon Hungaryball argues that they were treated good, even better than Romanians in Wallachiaball and Moldaviaball and the nobility made no ethnical discrimniation. Romania-icon Romaniaball argues that they were treated poorly and had no nobility of their own, and every noble would be more favorable to peasants of his own culture even before the nationalist movements of 19th century.

Romania-icon Romaniaball also argues Transylvania was firstly of Dacia-icon Daciaball then of SPQR-icon SPQRball and Romanians are Daco-Romans so they were first. Hungary-icon Hungaryball argues Romanians are not of Daco-Roman descent. While the Romanian language definitely descends from the Vulgar Latin, several well-supported theories address the issue of the origin of the Romanians. The most worldwide accepted theories are the Daco-Roman continuity and the immigrationist.

The Daco-Roman continuity argues that Romanians are mainly descended from the Daco-Romans, a people developing through the cohabitation of the native Dacians and the Roman colonists in the province of Dacia Traiana (primarily in present-day Romania) north of the river Danube. The immigrationist states that Romanians commenced in the provinces south of Danuble with Romanized local populations (known as Vlachs in the Middle Ages) spreading through mountain refuges, both south to Greece and north through the Carpathian Mountains. Both theories pinpoint Romanians' ancestry to Daco-Romans.

Nowdays Transylvaniaball is:

  • Romanian population census in 2011: 70.6% Romanian, 17.9% Hungarian, 0.4% German.

Being mostly Romanian Transylvaniaball wants to remain with Romania-icon Romaniaball.

Real life current situation Edit

Flame wars on the internet might get people confused so I feel this section is necessary. While the "who was first to plant the flag" historical debate remains, and Romania-icon Romaniaball with Hungary-icon Hungaryball hate each other because that makes fun countryballs memes. In reality Romania and Hungary have good relations. Politically, in the 1996 "Treaty of Understanding, Cooperation and Good Neighborhood" Act 4: "They further confirm that they have no territorial claims on each other and that they shall not raise any such claims in the future.". And in 2007 Hungary was the first country to support and accept Romania's adheration to the European Union. The people also have good relations, in Transylvania proper the multiculturalism of Romanian, Hungarian and German culture is a sense of pride for the people, those who cause conflict are extremists with a loud voice and the internet extremist "debates" are mostly between Romanians who don't live in Transylvania and Hungarians who live in Hungary proper. Most people find these debates ridiculous.

Counties Edit

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